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Tomorrow is a holiday, Fallout 3 day. 

I've been waiting for Fallout 3 for years now, and I've followed the rumored creations of the game for years.  Tomorrow, it finally happens.  

All that said, I still have mixed feelings.  The game isn't quite the Fallout I was hoping for.  The more first person action I see and the more I hear about the developers playing up the presence of the "bloody mess" perk in the game above all else, the more I feel slightly disheartened.  Still, this is better than nothing.  I'm more than willing to give Fallout 3 a try on its own terms.  

What shocks me is how the Fallout community in general is NOT willing to give it a chance.  Going over to Fallout fan central, the website, No Mutants Allowed, is a pretty stunning experience.  Sure, they follow Fallout 3's development, but the closer to release date it comes, the more vehemently hateful and opposed to the mere existence of the game they become.  The flood of good reviews has really stirred them up into a frenzy.  Every time a 9/10 or 90% or A+ review comes up on a website or magazine, there are 100 posts in their forum talking about how Bethesda has been paying out hush money and threatening refusal of exclusives and advertising if anyone posts a negative review of the game, all of this of course without evidence.  Today the site administrators even were taking open speculation on how miserably bad the reviews were going to be once independent review sites got a hold of the game, giving no chance at all that it might be even remotely decent or reedemable. 

I consider myself a Fallout fanatic, I enjoyed those games about as much if not more than any game I ever played.  I still consider them the finest computer RPG's ever made.  However, even in that state of mind, I'm totally ok with giving Bethesda's admittedly Oblivion like Fallout a chance.  Is that wrong of me?  Am I, like the other Fallout fanatics insist, a mindless sheep of a corprate PR machine that is catering what was once a brilliant immersive and mature experience to "l337 kidz" who only want mindless action and violence?  Am I simply so blinded by my desire to see a third Fallout game that I don't understand how criticaly bad Bethesda has destroyed my beloved franchise?  Am I wrong to want to play the game before I judge it?  (To be fair to NMA, some of them have played the pirated XBox version and claim it's "not even worth the rental") I mean, call me crazy but I actually liked Oblivion.  I thought the game was fun and a decent RPG.  Sure, it had flaws, but it was a fantasy game and I actually played it.  That's not something you see me do often.  

I'm not going to feel bad about being excited for Fallout 3.  I've been waiting too long and too desperately to just dismiss it without a chance.  Would I have prefered to see Black Isle complete THEIR version of Fallout 3 and had that to play?  Yeah, I would have.  But, you know what, that's never going to happen, that game is gone and we're never going to see it.  We will get to see something else, and maybe something very different tomorrow.  I for one can't wait to give it a chance.  If I don't like it, well, yeah, it'll be rough.





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Date: 2008-10-27 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomangstykid.livejournal.com
Well, one thing that people don't think about is how games change appearances with graphical upgrades anyways. Who's to say that Black Isle wouldn't have changed the way the camera works (which by the way, there's supposed to be both an overhead traditional style, and the over-the-shoulder FPS style...at least there was when development was drawing to a close). I loved Morrowind and Oblivion. I thought both of those games were excellent. But I am still afraid that we're going to get Elder Scrolls V: Fallout III

However, that said...I'm going to be at Gamestop as soon as they get it, and I'm going to bring it home.....and I'm going to play it until my eyes bleed.

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Date: 2008-10-27 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sirandrew.livejournal.com
There is actually a tech demo of the "Van Buren" Black Isle Fallout 3 posted at NMA. It's the only way anyone can see what the game would've been like. There wasn't an over the shoulder option in the demo, but it was fully 3d so it was possible to be added later. It also had a real time option that was in my opinion, awful.

Even the positive reviews are admitting that Fallout 3 has a VERY Oblivion feel engine wise. They altered the game very little beyond setting and the addition of VATS.

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Date: 2008-10-27 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 05iris.livejournal.com
Got no interest if the engine is just an Oblivion-port. As much as I want to try the game out, part of Fallout's charm was that it had a turn-based combat system that you actually wanted to use, unlike Baldur's Gate IMO.

I got Buddy playing Fallout 2 right now in my curriculum of gaming; try to show him the benefits of a PC's inputs and functions over the console, and Fallout exemplifies the kind of game that couldn't work on a Playstation.

I hate elitist fanbois who can't try something new, though.

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Date: 2008-10-27 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sirandrew.livejournal.com
Well, I can't judge yet on whether or not one can go so far as to call it a port. Most reviews say it's similar, clearly the same engine with deeper roleplaying elements. Combat is really where I sort of fear I'll be upset, because like you, I loved the combat in the original games.
VATS is supposed to be the happy medium compromise, and I've seen demos of some pretty cool stuff with it, like shooting guns out of hands and such, but I'm not totally sold. It sort of confuses me that the game still uses SPECIAL with that hybrid real time engine. SPECIAL just doesn't seem to work with what they turned out, but we'll see.
Sadly, I'm sure the reason they went with the system they did was so they could put it on consoles. Nowadays I can't see a major publisher releasing a flagship game and not making a console their lead platform. PC is really starting to get the short shrift. Heck, part of the problem with the original "Van Buren" was that it was not made at all for console, even though it had real time. Interplay canned Black Isle, telling them that from that point on console would be their lead platform on all items, and Fallout 3 and Black Isle in general didn't fit that direction. The only Fallout title that's going to be made for PC as a lead is going to be the Fallout MMO, which is being designed by some of the original programmers.

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Date: 2008-10-27 10:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sirandrew.livejournal.com
Yeah, "Project Vault 13". Interplay rehired Jason Anderson and Chris Taylor to be the project leads. Back when Interplay canned Black Isle and sold the Fallout IP to Bethesda, they specifically made the retention of the rights to future Fallout MMO's at Interplay. As of April of this year they are in full development.

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Date: 2008-10-27 10:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 05iris.livejournal.com
Holy Christ, an MMO with a setting that interests me. Didn't think I'd see THAT again.

It could be epic if it's not a WoW-clone.

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Date: 2008-10-28 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randomangstykid.livejournal.com
Well with the way WOW changes every single patch these days, you can't stay a WOW clone for too long.


I've grown to a point where I don't even consider purchasing games for PC, because if I don't buy it for consoles, then I lose out on a lot of downloadable content, and the ability to play multiplayer with people I know (since most people buy console exclusive now). This mostly has to do with the fact that I can buy a console and know that it will play games for (in the case of the 360) at least 8 years, whereas with a PC I have to update every 6 months.

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Date: 2008-10-28 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sirandrew.livejournal.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEqcRtVVpk

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Date: 2008-10-28 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mupchurch.livejournal.com
Speaking as someone who never played Fallout 1 and 2, but who did play Oblivion and loved it, I'm super excited to play Fallout three. I've deleted everything else from my gamefly list so they are forced to send me fallout. I'm pretty pumped for some post apocalyptic action. I even suspended my Warhammer online account in preparation.

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Date: 2008-10-28 01:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sirandrew.livejournal.com
Yeah, I loved Oblivion too, but to many of the Fallout 3 fanatics Oblivion is a dirty word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEqcRtVVpk

That's a video that was posted on NMA about why Fallout 3 will be so terribly awful. The key is in Fallout 1,2 when that kind of stuff happened, you actually missed the target. Most things in those games could only take one hit to the head.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/42026.html

Check that out before you play if you haven't. It's a retrospective on the original games that is pretty decent. If you can stand 90's graphics and the much slower pace, you owe it to yourself to find copies, get Vista into compatibility mode and try them.

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Date: 2008-10-28 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] therigs.livejournal.com
I'm in "wait and see" mode for Fallout 3. I love the first two, so I'm going to be open-minded about this one. I played Oblivion waaaaaaaaay more than I should have, especially since my ultimate conclusion about it was that it wasn't a very good game, even with a ton of mods.

I await your definitive review.

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